Westboro Baptist Church Negotiating NOT Protesting Newtown Funerals, Insults Anonymous

–Margie Phelps from the Westboro Baptist Church joins David to discuss why her church plans to protest the funerals of the victims of the Newtown shooting tragedy and to address the recent attacks on the church by Anonymous, and David attempts to negotiate an agreement for the church to cancel their plans to picket children’s’ funerals. How do you get the Bonus Show? Become a member: www.davidpakman.com If you liked this clip of The David Pakman Show, please do us a big favor and share it with your friends… and hit that “like” button! www.davidpakman.com Become a Member www.davidpakman.com Like Us on Facebook: www.facebook.com Follow Us on Twitter: www.twitter.com Get TDPS Gear: www.davidpakman.com 24/7 Voicemail Line: (219)-2DAVIDP Subscribe to The David Pakman Show for more: www.youtube.com Broadcast on December 17, 2012
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Scientology vs Anonymous

The Internet-based group “Anonymous” has released statements on YouTube and via a press release, outlining what they call a “War on Scientology”. Church of Scientology related websites, such as religiousfreedomwatch.org have been removed due to a suspected distributed denial-of-service-attack (DDoS) by a group calling themselves “Anonymous”. On Friday, the same group allegedly brought down Scientology’s main website, scientology.org, which was available sporadically throughout the weekend. Several websites relating to the Church of Scientology have been slowed down, brought to a complete halt or seemingly removed from the Internet completely in an attack which seems to be continuous. The scientology.org site was back online briefly on Monday, and is currently loading slowly.
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“Anonymous” Hackers attack Malaysian government websites (16 Jun 2011)

Hackers attack Malaysian government websites Posted: 16 June 2011 1248 hrs KUALA LUMPUR: Hackers have attacked Malaysian government websites, authorities said Thursday, following a threat by the “Anonymous” activist group which accused Malaysia of censoring the Internet. Fifty-one government websites were targeted, causing disruptions to at least 41 of them, the Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission (MCMC) said in a statement. It said the attacks on websites with the .gov.my domain started shortly before midnight Wednesday and lasted several hours, but appeared to have caused little damage. “The Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission confirms that there were indeed attempts to hack several websites,” it said. “However, we do not expect the overall recovery to these websites to take long as most websites have already recovered from the attack,” it added. The commission said it would work with enforcement agencies, security experts and service providers to keep the situation in check. Malaysian authorities had Wednesday braced themselves for cyber attacks after Internet activists Anonymous warned on a website that they would target the government portal www.Malaysia.gov.my. The website was still down on Thursday. MCMC did not specify which websites were hacked, only saying its own site was targeted but that the hacking attempt was unsuccessful. Anonymous sabotaged Turkish sites last week to protest against Internet censorship. Its Malaysia attack

The Last HOPE: What and Who is “Anonymous?” (Complete)

Anonymous is an anti-group which takes nothing too seriously and values free speech in the extreme. The self-styled Anonymous (used as a mass noun) is a label and Internet meme adopted within Internet culture to represent the actions of Internet users acting anonymously toward a given agenda. In this sense, Anonymous is “all of us, yet none of us.” The term is used in phrases such as “We are Anonymous. We do not forgive. We do not forget.” More recently, in 2008 specific actions were undertaken by specific group, groups, or organizations, also self-named as “Anonymous,” and often associated with websites and chat systems on the Internet. The general public’s introduction to the group began with Project Chanology, a protest against the Church of Scientology. The most visible element of the protest was mass protests of many Church sites worldwide, the first being held on February 10, 2008. Anonymous, as a protest group, lacks a visible hierarchical structure or leaders, instead relying on individuals to contribute to the group on their own.
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Anonymous Hacks Westboro Baptist Church Website During Live Confrontation

A source from Anonymous confronts Shirley Phelps-Roper from the Westboro Baptist Church, calling the supposed letter sent to Westboro by Anonymous a hoax, and then proceeds to hack the Westboro Baptist Church website during the interview. The David Pakman Show is an internationally syndicated talk radio and television program hosted by David Pakman –On the Bonus Show Behind the scenes from today’s interviews, pressure from Fox News CEO Roger Ailes for a publisher to cover up an affair, an 11000 year old skeleton, much more. www.davidpakman.com http www.facebook.com www.twitter.com feeds.feedburner.com 24/7 Voicemail Line & Studio Number: (219)-2DAVIDP Broadcast on February 24, 2011
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Alcoholics Anonymous Questions Often Asked

Alcoholics Anonymous Questions Often Asked

Alcoholics Anonymous Questions Often Asked


Dick B.

© 2010 Anonymous. All rights reserved


Many times, questions are asked about Alcoholics Anonymous (A.A.) by courts, by clergy, by recovering alcoholics and addicts, and by members of the public. They have to do with genuine concerns as to what A.A. is and does; what the history of Alcoholics Anonymous is; where A.A. came from; what someone has to believe in order to be a “member;” and just how A.A., its recovery program, and its fellowship should be characterized.


The following questions and answers are those I have learned as a long-time A.A. member—recovered for over 24 years; as one who has researched and published on A.A. history and roots for over 20 years; and as one who receives these questions with some frequency—by phone, by email, by Facebook comments, by live audiences, and by mail.


Q: Is Alcoholics Anonymous a Christian Fellowship today?

            Answer: No.


Q: Was Alcoholics Anonymous once a Christian Fellowship?

            Answer: Yes


Q: Were A.A.’s two founders and its third member Christians?

            Answer: Yes


Q: When could it be said that A.A. was no longer a “Christian fellowship?”

            Answer: For sure, by the time the First Edition of the Big Book was published in April

            1939. By this time, the word “God” had been removed from Step Two; the unqualified

            word “God” in Steps Three and Eleven had been modified through the addition of the

            words “as we understood Him” following it; and a large number of Christian and biblical

            materials had been intentionally tossed out of later versions of the pre-publication

            manuscripts of the Big Book, primarily to appease a few atheist and agnostic participants.


Q: Can Christians come to, attend the meetings of, and become members of A.A. today?

            Answer: They not only can and do, but A.A. has no rule or right to exclude them.


Q: Are there a large number of Christians who attend the meetings of and/or become members of  Alcoholics Anonymous today?

            Answer: There are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of Christians in A.A.



Q: Was belief in God required when A.A. was founded in Akron in June of 1935?

            Answer: Dr. Bob insisted that every member of the fellowship profess belief in God.


Q: Was affirmation of Jesus Christ as one’s Lord and Savior required when A.A. was founded in June of 1935?

            Answer: Every person who wanted to belong to the Akron A.A. “Christian fellowship”

            was required to make what was called a “real surrender.” This occurred when a member

            was taken upstairs in the home of either T. Henry Williams or cofounder Dr. Bob Smith,

            and required to declare that Jesus Christ was his Lord and Savior.


Q: Did the First Edition of the Big Book published in April 1939 contain mention of the Being Bill Wilson called “the God of the Scriptures?”

            Answer: The word “God” used without qualification and with capitalization appeared

            more than 200 times. In addition, there were many occurrences of capitalized pronouns

            referring to “God”—pronouns such as “His,” “Him.” Biblical descriptions of Almighty

            God also occurred frequently—words and phrases such as “Creator;” “Maker;”

            “Heavenly Father;” “Father;” “Father of lights;” and, of course, “God.”


Q: Does an alcoholic or someone with a drinking problem have to believe in Almighty God today in order to come to, attend a meeting of, or become a “member” of A.A.

            Answer: Absolutely not. A.A. literature today speaks of belief in a “higher power,” a

            “power greater than one’s self,” one’s own conception of god, and a God as one

            understands Him. Furthermore, it explicitly states that you do not have to believe in

            God or in anything at all to be a “member” today.


Q: Did the basic ideas for the Twelve Steps come from study and effort in the Bible?

            Answer: Yes. Dr. Bob stated so explicitly.


Q: Did early AAs in Akron study the Bible daily?

            Answer: Yes.


Q: Did early AAs hold “old-fashioned prayer meetings?”

            Answer: Yes


Q: Did early AAs read Christian literature?

            Answer: Yes. They read Christian books and pamphlets, as well as Christian daily


 Q: Did the 12 Steps of A.A. that were written by Bill W. in 1938 come from the Oxford Group?

            Answer: Dr. Bob said the basic ideas came from the Bible and specified the Book of

James, Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount, and 1 Corinthians 13, as absolutely essential. Bill Wilson named three major sources for the step ideas: (1) Dr. William D. Silkworth—Bill’s psychiatrist—whom Bill called a “founder” of A.A. (2) Professor William James of Harvard—who was called a “founder” though long dead at the time. (3) Rev. Samuel M. Shoemaker, Jr., Rector of Calvary Episcopal Church of New York. In addition to the Bible and the foregoing three sources, research has since established a number of other sources that made a contribution to the Step ideas and language. They included: (1) Dr. Carl Jung. (2) Christian conversions. (3) New Thought writings by people such as Emmet Fox. (4) Evangelists. (5) Rescue Missions. (6) The YMCA. (7) The Young People’s Society of Christian Endeavor. (8) The Oxford Group. (9) Dr. Bob’s wife, Anne Ripley Smith. (10) Quiet Time. (11) Christian books and literature. (12) Experiences of the alcoholics themselves.


Q:  How about all those who claim Alcoholics Anonymous is a sect, a religion, even a cult?

Answer: For what it is worth, A.A. itself publicizes that it is not allied with any sect or denomination. With 2 million members and no organized hierarchy or controlling leaders, and with members including Jews, Protestants, Roman Catholics, Mormons, New Thought adherents, atheists, agnostics, Hindus, Buddhists, gays and lesbians, unbelievers, and folks who say they believe in higher powers that are chairs, tables, rocks, light bulbs, Santa Claus, or “it,” one would have a virtually-impossible task attempting to claim that such a dispersion of believers and unbelievers and nonbelievers constitute a cult. As to religion, most of the courts called upon to decide whether A.A. is a religion have declared that it is, rejecting the spurious idea that it is somehow “spiritual but not religious”—an invention mostly of writers rather than members. Court rulings have tended to point to the frequent references to God and the regimen for “coming to believe”—whatever the belief or unbelief may turn out to be.


Q: How about the minority of Christian writers who claim that A.A. is not “of the Lord,” or

that the Bible precludes Christians from associating with those of other beliefs, or that the wide variety of behaviors—whether swearing, fornication, spiritualism, adultery, and psychobabble—somehow allow one Christian to condemn an organization or fellowship or society that has members of varied views?

            Answer: In America, and in most membership countries, diversity of beliefs does not call

            for condemnation. If Christianity be the standard, one could ask if Jesus carried a

            message only to his chosen disciples; or if the day of Pentecost marked the exclusion of

            all those who spoke different languages; or if the ministry of Peter, John, James, and Paul

            was limited to those who were either Jew or Gentile—but could not include those who

            heard the word of God and sought salvation. The story in Acts of the jailer who asked

            “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” should be proof enough that neither God nor

            Christians were respecters of persons.


Q: Can a drunk of any religious persuasion or no religious persuasion or of atheistic or agnostic persuasion walk into the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous today and be or become a Christian; explain that he believes in God, in the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Bible and be silenced or expelled; or be subjected to insulting or condemning language; or prevented from attending church?

            Answer: He is free to walk in, to be or become a Christian, to express his beliefs, to

            listen to insulting remarks, and to attend any church or religious fellowship he chooses.

There are still loads of bleeding deacons who will go to any lengths to silence him, but A.A. cannot and does not expel or silence anyone—no matter what a newcomer may hear or fear. And any remonstrating Christians outside of A.A. who think otherwise are simply

lacking in knowledge of A.A., A.A. history, and A.A. as it exists today.


Is There Documentation for These

Alcoholics Anonymous History And Its Initial Christian Roots

Alcoholics Anonymous History And Its Initial Christian Roots

Alcoholics Anonymous History and Its Initial Christian Roots

How They’ve Been Forgotten; And How They Can Help Recovery Today

By Dick B.

© 2010 Anonymous. All rights reserved


Learn About Them


I am one of the tens of thousands (probably hundreds of thousands) of Christians who deeply appreciate the recovery from alcoholism and addiction that Alcoholics Anonymous made possible in our lives. Many of us have been criticized for mentioning Jesus Christ and the Bible in our talks at meetings. But most of us know that God is our sufficiency. We pray to Him in the name of Jesus Christ. And we recover.


Many of us who are Christians involved in A.A. do believe in God, the accomplishments of His Son Jesus Christ, and the truth about both that is found in the Bible. Many of us, as Christian members of Alcoholics Anonymous, had no idea whatsoever that early A.A. was a Christian fellowship, that its members believed in God, surrendered to Jesus Christ, and studied the Bible on a daily basis. Many of us had no idea whatsoever that the early, Christian-oriented A.A. claimed an overall 75% success rate among the “seemingly-hopeless,” “medically-incurable,” “last gasp case” alcoholics who thoroughly followed the pioneer A.A. program. And many of us never learned that the Original Akron program is summarized rather well in on page 131 of the A.A. General Service Conference-approved book, DR. BOB and the Good Oldtimers.


How could so many of us have been unaware of these facts?


The answer, in part, is that, as the First Edition of A.A.’s Big Book manuscript was being written and edited in 1938 and early 1939, many additions, omissions, and changes were made to the highly-successful Akron Christian program Bill W. and Dr. Bob began developing in the summer of 1935. For example, as Bill W. stated on pages 166-67 of the A.A. General Service Conference-approved book, Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age:


We [Bill W., Hank P., Ruth Hock, and John Henry Fitzhugh M.] were still arguing about the Twelve Steps. All this time I had refused to budge on these steps. I would not change a word of the original draft, in which, you will remember, I had consistently used the word “God,” and in one place the expression “on our knees” was used. Praying to God on one’s knees was still a big affront to Henry. He argued, he begged, he threatened. He quoted Jimmy [B.—i.e., Jim Burwell] to back him up. . . . Though at first I would have none of it, we finally began to talk about the possibility of compromise. . . . In Step Two we decided to describe God as a “Power greater than ourselves.” In Steps Three and Eleven we inserted the words “God as we understood Him.” From Step Seven we deleted the expression “on our knees.” . . . Such were the final concessions to those of little or no faith; this was the great contribution of our atheists and agnostics. [Emphasis added]


Bill W.’s wife Lois spoke about another major change on page 113 of her autobiography, Lois Remembers:


Finally it was agreed that the book should present a universal spiritual program, not a specific religious one, since all drunks were not Christian.


Such major changes to the Original Akron A.A. “Christian Fellowship” program obscured the simple solution the A.A. pioneers in Akron discovered; specifically, that a cure from alcoholism was available through reliance on Almighty God, coming to Him through His Son Jesus Christ, and reading and studying the Bible—along with the other principles and practices of the early days. [For the Frank Amos summary of the Original Akron A.A. “Program,” and the other principles and practices of the Akron fellowship, see: Dick B. and Ken B., The Dick B. Christian Recovery Manual (Kihei, HI: Paradise Research Publications, Inc., 2009), 44-46, 49.]


The Lesson from the First Three AAs


Early AAs knew one another. They visited one another. They had address books with the phone numbers (if a given member had a phone) and addresses of the other members. And they kept rosters which showed the sobriety dates and sobriety history of the members.


The 75% overall success rate early A.A. claimed was remarkable because it was attained by what Bill W. called the “seemingly-hopeless,” “medically-incurable,” “last gasp” cases who gave their all to God and received the blessed healing and deliverance that followed. Bill W. and Dr. Bob did indeed state that there were “failures galore.” But there weren’t failures galore among the real hardcore members who turned to God and gave the program everything they had.


A very important part of the historical record is how the first three AAs got sober in late 1934 and in 1935. When they got sober:


There was no Big Book (Alcoholics Anonymous was published in April 1939);

There were no Twelve Steps;

There were no Twelve Traditions;

There were no “drunkalogs”; and

There were no “meetings to make”—at least of the kinds normally seen in today’s A.A.


 The Creator of the heavens and the earth was there. See, for example, Alcoholics Anonymous, 4th ed.:


“my Creator” (page 13)

“My Creator” (76)

“our Creator” (pages 25, 68, 72, 75, 83)

“a living Creator” (page 28);

“his Creator” (page 56, 80, 158)

“their loving and All Powerful Creator” (page 161)


The “Great Physician,” Jesus Christ, was there. See, for example: Dick B., The Conversion of Bill W.: More on the Creator’s Role in Early A.A. (Kihei, HI: Paradise Research Publications, Inc., 2006), 59ff.


The Bible (which Dr. Bob often called the “Good Book”) was there. See, for example, page 13 of the A.A. General Service Conference-approved pamphlet, The Co-Founders of Alcoholics Anonymous (Item # P-53; available for reading online at http://aa.org/pdf/products/p-53_theco-foundersofAA.pdf; accessed 8/5/09):


At that point, our stories didn’t amount to anything to speak of. When we started in on Bill D., we had no Twelve Steps, either; we had no Traditions.

            But we were convinced that the answer to our problems was in the Good Book. To some of us older ones, the parts that we found absolutely essential were the Sermon on the Mount, the thirteenth chapter of First Corinthians, and the Book of James.


A.A. Number One, Bill W., learned from Dr. Silkworth that Jesus Christ could cure him. Bill learned from his old drinking friend Ebby Thacher that Ebby had been to the altar at Calvary Rescue Mission, and been reborn, causing Ebby to tell Bill that God had done for him (Ebby) what Ebby could not do for himself. Bill then went to Calvary Church itself. He heard Ebby give testimony from the pulpit; and Bill decided that he too needed help and needed the same help that Ebby had received. Bill then went to the altar at Calvary Rescue Mission, made a decision for Christ, wrote that he had been born again for sure, and then decided to seek the help of the “Great Physician,” Jesus Christ. Deeply depressed and despairing, Bill proceeded drunk to Towns Hospital where he was greeted by Dr. Silkworth. At Towns Hospital, Bill cried out for help, had a dramatic spiritual “white light” experience, perceived that he had been in the presence of the “God of the Scriptures” (as Bill wrote on page 284 of The Language of the Heart), and never drank again. Bill proclaimed he never again doubted the existence of God. And his message became: “The Lord has cured me of this terrible disease, and I just want to keep talking about it and telling people.” (Alcoholics Anonymous, 4th ed., 191) No Big Book. No Twelve Steps. No Twelve Traditions. No drunkalogs. No meetings. Just the power and love of God that Bill had sought and relied upon.


A.A. Number Two, Dr. Bob S.,–a Christian since his youth in St. Johnsbury, Vermont–prayed for deliverance on the rug at the home of T. Henry Williams in Akron. Miraculously, help showed up quite soon in the form of a visit of Bill W. to Akron. Henrietta Seiberling declared Bill’s visit to be “Manna from Heaven.” Bill soon moved in with Dr. Bob and his wife, studied the Bible with them, and nursed Dr. Bob back from one, brief and last binge. Dr. Bob never drank again thereafter and told the nurse at City Hospital that he and Bill had found a cure for alcoholism. No Big Book. No Twelve Steps. No Twelve Traditions. No drunkalogs. No meetings. Just the power and love of God that Dr. Bob had sought and relied upon. Dr. Bob closed his story in the Big Book with these words:


Your Heavenly Father will never let you down!


Bill W. and Dr. Bob sought out another drunk to help. They found A.A. Number Three, the hospitalized Akron attorney Bill D., also a Christian. After Bill D. heard what Bill W. and Dr. Bob had to share, Bill D. decided to entrust his life to God’s care. Shortly, when Bill W. and Dr. Bob returned to the hospital, Bill D. told them what had happened. Bill D. then left the hospital a free man and never drank again. He had been told to find other drunks to help; and he did so. No Big Book. No Twelve Steps. No Twelve Traditions. No drunkalogs. No meetings. Just the power and love of God that Bill D. had sought and relied upon. Bill D. found himself echoing Bill W.’s statement on page 191 of the Fourth Edition of Alcoholics Anonymous:


The Lord has cured me of this