@ianclivewright You depair? Is that splitting things up?
I was going to point out that there was plenty of evidence Gospels were written in Greek within the first century and that the Romans simply collated an earlier work but it’s much more fun making fun of your spelling, plus I’d have to agree what the heck does this have to do with the frankly hilarious video?
People realise that Jesus didn’t actually exist, right? The mythic character of Jesus was loosely – as in almost barely at all – based on some guy called Yeshua who just went around proclaiming love and democracy, and was crucified for it. The shit about him healing the sick, being born of a virgin and being resurrected are all well-established astrological allegories that are found in almost all ancient religions.
As for the sketch, I’ve seen better, but I loved Mark Heap’s voice at the end.
First of all, this sketch is hilarious. Secondly, humour should be something fun that brings people together. Can’t we leave the endless bickering about religion for some other place and time? And thirdly, I’m so terribly sick of people using condescending and aggressive language who have no respect for other people’s viewpoints, no matter what your opinion is. Learn some humility, no one has all the answers and what rings true for one person may not seem right to another. Quit the arrogance!
@KapernicusI Hahaha! Yes very rarely do powerful groups and institutions get used by the self-interested. Social ‘climbers’ and people with ‘leadership skills’ are almost always to an extent self-interested. Becoming an Emperor or Pope wont make you less full of yourself, thats for sure.
@canisfamilliaris You seem to think that because something is an extension of social learning it doesn’t matter. The ideas of sin and redemption are abstract concepts which describe something we all experience. They are very important and they matter.
It is not true that ideologies are a group trying to get power. The people who found them and many who practice them believe. Sometimes undesirable people use tham to wield power but such instance are rare.
@canisfamilliaris ‘Charismatic people exist’. That is what I was saying, Jesus was a charismatic person. I did not mean the number of people who believe but the number of people who claim to have met him and experienced his charisma, inspiring them to do things which they woulld not otherwise do.
You might as well say Gorgons exist, or Jove, or the Kraken if your taking the amount of people who believe as a criteria for somethings existence. I think you should try to investigate how scientific method works.
What about the Pope, he really must be God’s right hand man, as so many people believe it to be true? A ridiculous inversion of reality, logic that would shame a 5 year old.
Charismatic people exist, Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Jesus, Mohamed, there’s no difference.
I didn’t understand that, sorry I thought you had at least one realistic brain cell, obviously I thought wrong?
The evidence, shows, we are evolved simians, like all other creatures, we live for a bit then our atoms go off to do other things. Sin, Redemption, morality, are extensions of social learning, (memes?), and instinct. The make believe stuff is just some group or another trying to get power.
Communism, Religion, Fascism, all the same, belief systems. Hitler == Jesus et al.
@canisfamilliaris I hope you understand that I was being sarcastic about sin and redemption being childish. They are very high philosophical ideas and also a very basic part of our existance. All people, no matter what they believe, are aware of there sins and similarly feel the need for redemption. Most children have not quite experienced enough to feel this need. The fact that children live in the here and now means that calling the huge philosophical concepts of religion childish is silly.
@canisfamilliaris The many Christians who tryed to spread the word after Jesus’ death is evidence of his existance. People can only be motivated to do this by a charismatic man like Jesus. Although you may consider the Gospels untrustworthy because of when and by whom they were written, the fact the remains that the were written for a reason. The writers cannot have invented people like Paul because hundreds of people would have rembered him. Whether Jesus was Christ or not is another matter.
@canisfamilliaris I would say the sudden spread of Arabs from the peninsula was evidence. Someone had to create Islam and it was the warlord Mohammed who wrote a book. There is also many people who knew him who where kaliffs later. To suggest that he did not exist is absurd, whatever next? There’s no evidence for Caesar? Alfred the Great was an almgamation of various Earls?
Sin and Redemption is childish I agree, like believing in things there’s no evidence for: Pixies, Jesus, Mohamed, Christ, Robin Hood, Sweeny Tod, they’re all the same because they’re all make believe.
You can tell this by the fact that there’s absolutely no evidence for any of them, not one tiny shred.
No, there is no actual evidence that Mohamed actually existed. But say he did? A murderous, evil child molester existed once, big deal, how impressive.
@canisfamilliaris You have completed ignored my point about the childish nature of sin and redemptions and continued with your drivel about pixies and such crap. It sems that you are the peurile one.
You suggestion that Mohammed is a fiction shows that you have no understanding of history and then all your assertions, especially ones refering o the historical existance of Jesus, are to be laughed at bu all who have sense.